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Post by mrShowtime on May 12, 2017 11:28:35 GMT -5
The Rockets should pursue Paul George
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Post by tadster00 on May 12, 2017 12:40:34 GMT -5
IS James Harden a superstar? How could he not be? What's Houston without him? Honestly, I did say/post this before the game even started. So let's leave out yesterday's performance(or lack of). Seriously, I'm actually excusing it Here's what Phil and I said a couple weeks ago. To me, he's barely on the outside looking in. And so is Kawhi For some reason it's hard for me to call James Harden a superstar. Idk why My list includes Bron, KD, Russ, Anthony Davis, and Steph. That's it for me, I don't throw around the term loosely. James Harden should be in my list but for some reason I can't call him that. Maybe it's his serious lack of defense lol. Not that Curry's is a ton better, but at least he racks up steals Top 'stars': Harden*, Kawhi**, Paul George, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul, Griffin, Kyrie, John Wall, Greak Freak, IT. *Very borderline superstar. **Honestly he's a superstar to me but I'm a homer lol. What's your list of legit SUPERstars in the league? Could I have added Cousins? Sure, but he's a head case so I didn't think so. Lebron, Durant, Curry, AD, Russ off the top of my head. I call a very limited amount of players superstar though. Everyone else, is just a star IMO. I think Harden is a guy who works with a legit star big man.
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Post by tadster00 on May 12, 2017 12:42:54 GMT -5
Here's the real question..
Is there a legitimate debate against saying that LeBron and Kevin Durant are the 2 best players in the NBA? To me, it's no debate. They're at the top, and in that order.
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Post by Pain662 on May 12, 2017 13:40:42 GMT -5
Here's the real question.. Is there a legitimate debate against saying that LeBron and Kevin Durant are the 2 best players in the NBA? To me, it's no debate. They're at the top, and in that order. I can agree with that, with Steph closing the gap. I also see Harden as a 'star'. There are few legit superstars. Kind of a Reggie Miller is what comes to mind. Really good and can put a team on his back during the regular season but can't get a team over the hump.
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Post by Pain662 on May 12, 2017 13:47:36 GMT -5
I read Bayless' article on it being ok to embrace LeBron's greatness. Good read. This will be 7 straight finals appearances and I'd argue we could see 10 or more. That's dominance, no matter how many rings come of it. He brought Cleveland a chip, fulfilling the hometown prodegy mantle that was placed on his shoulders out of high school. KD/Steph/Russ depends on who you ask but I see KD as number 2 and Portland will forever live in infamy because of it.
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Post by mrShowtime on May 12, 2017 14:35:33 GMT -5
Here's the real question.. Is there a legitimate debate against saying that LeBron and Kevin Durant are the 2 best players in the NBA? To me, it's no debate. They're at the top, and in that order. I can agree with that, with Steph closing the gap. I also see Harden as a 'star'. There are few legit superstars. Kind of a Reggie Miller is what comes to mind. Really good and can put a team on his back during the regular season but can't get a team over the hump. If getting over the hump is a requirement, why the hell is AD in the discussion? I think Harden is significantly more of a superstar than AD. In fact, Id' go as far as to say that KAT has surpassed AD in stardom.
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Post by Pain662 on May 12, 2017 15:35:57 GMT -5
I can agree with that, with Steph closing the gap. I also see Harden as a 'star'. There are few legit superstars. Kind of a Reggie Miller is what comes to mind. Really good and can put a team on his back during the regular season but can't get a team over the hump. If getting over the hump is a requirement, why the heyo is AD in the discussion? I think Harden is significantly more of a superstar than AD. In fact, Id' go as far as to say that KAT has surpassed AD in stardom. AD may never yet reach superstardom, if his coaches keep putting him in situations that increase his injury risk. How that team plays next season will say a lot about that but, their bench is questionable, at best. I see KAT Jacklinks commercials in AZ. I see nothing from The Brow.
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Post by Pain662 on May 12, 2017 15:43:32 GMT -5
We Play To Win The Game Your league is all filled up and ready to draft on Thursday, August 31 @ 5:30 pm MST
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Post by tadster00 on May 12, 2017 16:06:17 GMT -5
I can agree with that, with Steph closing the gap. I also see Harden as a 'star'. There are few legit superstars. Kind of a Reggie Miller is what comes to mind. Really good and can put a team on his back during the regular season but can't get a team over the hump. If getting over the hump is a requirement, why the heyo is AD in the discussion? I think Harden is significantly more of a superstar than AD. In fact, Id' go as far as to say that KAT has surpassed AD in stardom. You may be right. I have had that thought too, but it's probable that not everyone considers AD a superstar because injuries have shortened his best seasons But he can literally do everything at the PF/C spots. He can score in every which way and blocks a ton of shots. To me, he's the best big man in the game and is a superstar on talent and numbers alone. But he may still be up for debate just due to body of work. He's just 24
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Post by mrShowtime on May 12, 2017 16:20:18 GMT -5
If getting over the hump is a requirement, why the heyo is AD in the discussion? I think Harden is significantly more of a superstar than AD. In fact, Id' go as far as to say that KAT has surpassed AD in stardom. You may be right. I have had that thought too, but it's probable that not everyone considers AD a superstar because injuries have shortened his best seasons But he can literally do everything at the PF/C spots. He can score in every which way and blocks a ton of shots. To me, he's the best big man in the game and is a superstar on talent and numbers alone. But he may still be up for debate just due to body of work. He's just 24 OR... He's just getting big numbers on a bad team.
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Post by Pain662 on May 12, 2017 19:13:11 GMT -5
PZ4 on the way. Maybe I'll get a drone. No bundle. Just the 1TB and a controller. 2K17 coming Thursday.
*cited*
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on May 12, 2017 20:00:33 GMT -5
Chris Berman's wife killed in a car accident. RIP Did Chyna fall asleep at the wheel again?
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on May 12, 2017 20:02:09 GMT -5
At the end it looks like we get some Alex Hunter ish but for NFL. Could make Madden worth buying again for once.
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Post by tadster00 on May 12, 2017 20:31:54 GMT -5
You may be right. I have had that thought too, but it's probable that not everyone considers AD a superstar because injuries have shortened his best seasons But he can literally do everything at the PF/C spots. He can score in every which way and blocks a ton of shots. To me, he's the best big man in the game and is a superstar on talent and numbers alone. But he may still be up for debate just due to body of work. He's just 24 OR... He's just getting big numbers on a bad team. Wouldn't any superstar though?
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on May 12, 2017 22:05:30 GMT -5
Did the Celtics wear all black for Chyna's funeral later today?
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Post by Pain662 on May 13, 2017 15:16:57 GMT -5
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Post by tadster00 on May 13, 2017 17:53:20 GMT -5
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Post by mrShowtime on May 13, 2017 19:03:30 GMT -5
OR... He's just getting big numbers on a bad team. Wouldn't any superstar though? TIL Kemba Walker may be an NBA superstar
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Post by Pain662 on May 14, 2017 10:47:27 GMT -5
OR... He's just getting big numbers on a bad team. Wouldn't any superstar though? Name a superstar that plays one way on the court. Most guys I think of play offense AND defense, which earns them the mantle of superstar. A gunner who gets burned on the defensive end isn't a superstar. Even on a bad team.
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Post by Pain662 on May 14, 2017 10:51:10 GMT -5
OR... He's just getting big numbers on a bad team. Wouldn't any superstar though? Was Knee-Mac a superstar?
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Post by tadster00 on May 14, 2017 14:02:40 GMT -5
Wouldn't any superstar though? Was Knee-Mac a superstar? 13 points in 37 seconds says so lol. Really though, was Grant Hill? To me, they were superstars for streaks at a time, which I don't think defines a superstar career or season. I'd have to say no and that's due to injuries. Similar to D-Rose. I say Anthony Davis is, but the jury is understandably still out on him. To me, he's the biggest toss up right now. Superstar talent for sure although injuries have held him back.
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Post by Pain662 on May 14, 2017 15:14:21 GMT -5
Was Knee-Mac a superstar? 13 points in 37 seconds says so lol. Really though, was Grant Hill? To me, they were superstars for streaks at a time, which I don't think defines a superstar career or season. I'd have to say no and that's due to injuries. Similar to D-Rose. I say Anthony Davis is, but the jury is understandably still out on him. To me, he's the biggest toss up right now. Superstar talent for sure although injuries have held him back. If playing beside Boogie can keep him from logging so many minutes, maybe he can stay healthy long enough to live up to his potential. He's the best #1 pick since LeBron, hands down. Knee Mac, Penny, and Grant will forever be casualties of preceding the medical technology that could have made them all legit superstars. Grant did things off the court that raised his profile.
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Post by Pain662 on May 14, 2017 15:21:30 GMT -5
All this Lavar/Lonzo Ball hype has me curious how the lotto and draft will shake out. Suns and Lakers both have good, young guards and 2 of the top 3 will be PGs.
Where is Boston standing with picks? Don't they have Brooklyn's?
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Post by Pain662 on May 14, 2017 15:29:43 GMT -5
Was Knee-Mac a superstar? 13 points in 37 seconds says so lol. Really though, was Grant Hill? To me, they were superstars for streaks at a time, which I don't think defines a superstar career or season. I'd have to say no and that's due to injuries. Similar to D-Rose. I say Anthony Davis is, but the jury is understandably still out on him. To me, he's the biggest toss up right now. Superstar talent for sure although injuries have held him back. Streak superstars bring to mind Vince. Hyped out of college, lots of monster games. Superstar? Maybe, since he was one of the post - Jordan era stars. But as much I love my Tarheels, when I think superstar, Kobe and Shaq come to mind first. Ray even rates higher.
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Post by quikdrummer on May 14, 2017 23:15:58 GMT -5
Kawhi got bowen'd
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Post by Pain662 on May 14, 2017 23:50:44 GMT -5
Ironic? They were killing them before that.
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Post by tadster00 on May 15, 2017 0:53:13 GMT -5
Ironic? They were killing them before that. Obviously I'm pissed that Kawhi got hurt again, but after seeing several replays of that play, to me, it definitely did NOT look intentional. It happens, and honestly I'm surprised ankle sprains don't happen more often in similar plays. Also, I'm not sure that if his ankle had been 100% that we'd even be talking about that play. The ligaments/tendons/muscle surrounding the joint were already sore and weak. Perfect storm really. But no matter who is off the court when you're up 25, no excuse for an 18-0 run. But I guess that's how good the Warriors are.
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Post by Pain662 on May 15, 2017 1:06:19 GMT -5
Ironic? They were killing them before that. Obviously I'm pissed that Kawhi got hurt again, but after seeing several replays of that play, to me, it definitely did NOT look intentional. It happens, and honestly I'm surprised ankle sprains don't happen more often in similar plays. Also, I'm not sure that if his ankle had been 100% that we'd even be talking about that play. The ligaments/tendons/muscle surrounding the joint were already sore and weak. Perfect storm really. But no matter who is off the court when you're up 25, no excuse for an 18-0 run. But I guess that's how good the Warriors are. Ya we're not talking about Olynik out there. Just an unfortunate accident. But you're right. Maybe he shouldn't have been out there so soon.
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