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Post by Pain662 on Jun 13, 2017 17:14:27 GMT -5
that's a good reason. I just think the easy way out of the convo is just saying "Well Jordan is 6 & 0 so obviously he's the GOAT"...I'm just not sure that's good enough to win the argument. But I do like what you're saying Pain is spot-on. We also have to acknowledge that we've come to expect that the top dogs take over and do it themselves when it really matters. Jordan and Kobe did this regularly. Allen Iverson did it (maybe too much). Larry Bird did it. Clyde Frazier did it in 1970. (I kind of feel like the big man in the old NBA was designed to do it. You fed the ball to Shaq, Olajuwon, Kareem, Robinson, Ewing, Duncan, Malone, etc. They didn't quite carry the team in the same way because they weren't bringing the ball down the floor.) LeBron is a better basketball player than all of the aforementioned (except for MJ). It's nothing for him to score 30. He could likely score 40+, but he's too much of a coach. He's too interested in getting other players involved. He's accepted the point guard role a bit too heavily for what we're used to. Who does the best player in the game pass the ball to? Why is the best player in the game assisting on 10+ buckets a game? We put too much emphasis on LeBron's triple double without breaking it down to see what it actually means. It means that he's playing on a team with guys who aren't big scorers, yet he's racking up assists. Sure, Kyrie has looked like the best pure-scorer on the club, but very few of his buckets are assisted. Nearly all of JR and KLove's buckets were, which means too much offensive emphasis is put on the role-players. If LeBron passed the ball less, he could've averaged 40 in the Finals with a few 50-point games thrown in. We've already acknowledged that this wouldn't hurt Kyrie's production and suddenly this is a different series. I've got a lot more to say, but I plan to do a full write-up on this very soon, so I'll save the numbers and the historical comparisons for later. The Lebron that ran thru that Pistons team was a different Lebron that met the Spurs. We've seen him take over games and we've seen him wilt. He can drop 40 almost in his sleep. Even if he manages to steal 2 more rings from GSW's dynasty they're building, I would still have a hard time putting him above Jordan with 10 straight Finals appearances and 5 or 6 rings. Maybe that's my bias but nobody ever questioned the heart of any of the guys Show mentioned.
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 13, 2017 17:55:24 GMT -5
Pain is spot-on. We also have to acknowledge that we've come to expect that the top dogs take over and do it themselves when it really matters. Jordan and Kobe did this regularly. Allen Iverson did it (maybe too much). Larry Bird did it. Clyde Frazier did it in 1970. (I kind of feel like the big man in the old NBA was designed to do it. You fed the ball to Shaq, Olajuwon, Kareem, Robinson, Ewing, Duncan, Malone, etc. They didn't quite carry the team in the same way because they weren't bringing the ball down the floor.) LeBron is a better basketball player than all of the aforementioned (except for MJ). It's nothing for him to score 30. He could likely score 40+, but he's too much of a coach. He's too interested in getting other players involved. He's accepted the point guard role a bit too heavily for what we're used to. Who does the best player in the game pass the ball to? Why is the best player in the game assisting on 10+ buckets a game? We put too much emphasis on LeBron's triple double without breaking it down to see what it actually means. It means that he's playing on a team with guys who aren't big scorers, yet he's racking up assists. Sure, Kyrie has looked like the best pure-scorer on the club, but very few of his buckets are assisted. Nearly all of JR and KLove's buckets were, which means too much offensive emphasis is put on the role-players. If LeBron passed the ball less, he could've averaged 40 in the Finals with a few 50-point games thrown in. We've already acknowledged that this wouldn't hurt Kyrie's production and suddenly this is a different series. I've got a lot more to say, but I plan to do a full write-up on this very soon, so I'll save the numbers and the historical comparisons for later. The Lebron that ran thru that Pistons team was a different Lebron that met the Spurs. We've seen him take over games and we've seen him wilt. He can drop 40 almost in his sleep. Even if he manages to steal 2 more rings from GSW's dynasty they're building, I would still have a hard time putting him above Jordan with 10 straight Finals appearances and 5 or 6 rings. Maybe that's my bias but nobody ever questioned the heart of any of the guys Show mentioned. To further reiterate my point: In 07 in the infamous game where he ended the Pistons franchise, he only had 7 assists. That was one of his lower assist games of those playoffs and only two other Cavs scored in double figures; Ilgauskas (the ever-reliable) had 16 and Boobs Gibson had 11 off the bench, but most of them came form the line as he was 2-7 from the floor. My point: when LeBron doesn't focus on the pass, good things happen.
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Post by tadster00 on Jun 13, 2017 18:15:35 GMT -5
I'm back to playing 09 the Show on the PZ3. I'd happily play the newer version, but I'm 31 in this one and am on pace to break Henderson's steal mark, Rose's hit mark, and Bond's HR record. I wish it was possible to take my career to the next game and keep moving up to the current game across to the PS4. I'd pay to buy those games and do that lol. I've put too much time into this current career.
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 13, 2017 21:25:21 GMT -5
I'm back to playing 09 the Show on the PZ3. I'd happily play the newer version, but I'm 31 in this one and am on pace to break Henderson's steal mark, Rose's hit mark, and Bond's HR record. I wish it was possible to take my career to the next game and keep moving up to the current game across to the PS4. I'd pay to buy those games and do that lol. I've put too much time into this current career. There was an option to import my 2016 MyCareer player (but I don't have one).
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Post by tadster00 on Jun 13, 2017 22:19:46 GMT -5
I'm back to playing 09 the Show on the PZ3. I'd happily play the newer version, but I'm 31 in this one and am on pace to break Henderson's steal mark, Rose's hit mark, and Bond's HR record. I wish it was possible to take my career to the next game and keep moving up to the current game across to the PS4. I'd pay to buy those games and do that lol. I've put too much time into this current career. There was an option to import my 2016 MyCareer player (but I don't have one). I have 16 on the vita and apparently if you have 16 The Show you can play with your player on both. And that one gave me the option to import a player from 15. That is good to know for when I retire or break all those records lol
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 14, 2017 9:43:19 GMT -5
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Post by bbills on Jun 14, 2017 10:28:41 GMT -5
another senseless act of violence involving and assault rifle..
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 14, 2017 10:56:15 GMT -5
another senseless act of violence involving and assault rifle.. I blame Pain.
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 14, 2017 11:15:30 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Jun 14, 2017 11:47:41 GMT -5
another senseless act of violence involving and assault rifle.. Crazy doesn't need an AR to do damage. Don't blame the gun, it's only a tool. Its like blaming the hammer used to bludgeon someone.
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Post by Pain662 on Jun 14, 2017 11:48:40 GMT -5
another senseless act of violence involving and assault rifle.. I blame Pain. Everyone does. Can't wait to put some rounds thru it.
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 14, 2017 14:11:06 GMT -5
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 14, 2017 14:14:53 GMT -5
In case you missed it
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Post by Pain662 on Jun 14, 2017 14:46:42 GMT -5
HA! That Foot Locker ad is funny lol
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 14, 2017 15:18:48 GMT -5
The Nationals, who already have Trea Turner, drafted a guy named Trey Turner The first-place Washington Nationals may have identified a new market inefficiency. The club, which cut a deal after the 2014 season to acquire speedy infielder Trea Turner from the Padres, drafted a dude with almost the exact same name on Tuesday, presumably under the assumption that there is big-league value in homophonic pairs.
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 14, 2017 15:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Jun 14, 2017 16:15:36 GMT -5
HA! *Imagines Brown person walking down Phoenix city streets with that* I wonder what the PD response time would be lol
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Post by tadster00 on Jun 14, 2017 16:39:18 GMT -5
Lol how the heck did they get Lonzo to say all that? That's amazing
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 14, 2017 19:03:08 GMT -5
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 15, 2017 9:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 15, 2017 9:36:47 GMT -5
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 15, 2017 10:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by tadster00 on Jun 15, 2017 12:57:40 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Jun 15, 2017 13:22:51 GMT -5
Mike Brown is laughing all the way to the bank. He's still getting paid by the Cavs and the Lakers lol
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 15, 2017 14:01:06 GMT -5
Your thoughts? Let's be honest, everyone would likely be happy, but the Spurs are the only team that actually gets better.
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Post by mrShowtime on Jun 15, 2017 14:02:57 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Jun 15, 2017 15:13:34 GMT -5
Is Lebron coming with Melo?
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Post by tadster00 on Jun 15, 2017 15:23:39 GMT -5
Your thoughts? Let's be honest, everyone would likely be happy, but the Spurs are the only team that actually gets better. IDK, Love for Aldridge wouldn't put the Spurs over the top. Like you said, SAS needs a rim protector. I do think LA's defense is much better than Love's, but I'd take Love over Aldridge for sure. I'd rather have CP3 than Love though.
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Post by Pain662 on Jun 15, 2017 15:55:41 GMT -5
Your thoughts? Let's be honest, everyone would likely be happy, but the Spurs are the only team that actually gets better. IDK, Love for Aldridge wouldn't put the Spurs over the top. Like you said, SAS needs a rim protector. I do think LA's defense is much better than Love's, but I'd take Love over Aldridge for sure. I'd rather have CP3 than Love though. It turns the Spurs into the same Cavs team that just got bounced. Substitute Kawhi for Lebron.
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Post by bbills on Jun 15, 2017 18:48:21 GMT -5
so gordan haywards wife posted a pick of their daughter in a 4 leaf clover shirt so that means he is signed with the Celtics
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