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Post by Pain662 on Apr 13, 2020 20:59:32 GMT -5
Now that you have a decision maker, what do you want him to do with the roster? The Bulls are in such purgatory I couldn't even tell you what the first step should be. It makes AK's job that much harder. What are you building blocks? Zach Lavine? Probably. Coby White? Looks to be a good 6th man in the NBA, but I guess there's value there. Wendell Carter Jr? He's a glue guy, but those guys aren't impossible to find either. Lauri Markannen? Looking less and less likely. Do you believe he can rebuild any trade value under a new coach while risking losing him for nothing, or do you sell him now for whatever you can get now and see him become a worthy building block elsewhere? And because of all that, the only player with true trade value on the team is Zach Lavine. Would I trade him? No, unless we're talking about a superstar coming back, but ideally you pair him up with that superstar. So realistically what can a Coby White, Wendell Carter Jr., and Lauri Markannen fetch you? The team is too far away to be making attempts at "win now" moves with that package and you're getting borderline value for these guys in future assets (thinking late lotto picks at best). What else is on the team? There are no expiring contracts this summer nor any cap space to work at. The team will have to decide if they match an offer for Kris Dunn who has carved himself up as an excellent wing defender off the bench, but is it really someone you pay $8-10m a year for when you're essentially in stage 1 of a rebuild? Not really, but not acquiring the most minor of assets for him is unfortunate too. Thaddeus Young and Satoransky are guaranteed for next season followed by guaranteed money of $6m and $5m if bought out. Felicio and Porter Jr. come off the books at that point as well. Realistically, I think there is nothing that can be done in year 1 other than reshape the organization from top to bottom. Maybe we get lucky in the lottery and get a high pick, but then we need to nail the pick. The Bulls badly need a core and the pieces alongside Lavine are not signing in free agency until we acquire a second or third supporting piece either via the draft or trade. Year one will likely be the FO shakeup but that takes another year off Lavine. Trade Lauri for AG and hope a buyout or waiver crosses their path.
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Apr 14, 2020 9:36:44 GMT -5
The Bulls are in such purgatory I couldn't even tell you what the first step should be. It makes AK's job that much harder. What are you building blocks? Zach Lavine? Probably. Coby White? Looks to be a good 6th man in the NBA, but I guess there's value there. Wendell Carter Jr? He's a glue guy, but those guys aren't impossible to find either. Lauri Markannen? Looking less and less likely. Do you believe he can rebuild any trade value under a new coach while risking losing him for nothing, or do you sell him now for whatever you can get now and see him become a worthy building block elsewhere? And because of all that, the only player with true trade value on the team is Zach Lavine. Would I trade him? No, unless we're talking about a superstar coming back, but ideally you pair him up with that superstar. So realistically what can a Coby White, Wendell Carter Jr., and Lauri Markannen fetch you? The team is too far away to be making attempts at "win now" moves with that package and you're getting borderline value for these guys in future assets (thinking late lotto picks at best). What else is on the team? There are no expiring contracts this summer nor any cap space to work at. The team will have to decide if they match an offer for Kris Dunn who has carved himself up as an excellent wing defender off the bench, but is it really someone you pay $8-10m a year for when you're essentially in stage 1 of a rebuild? Not really, but not acquiring the most minor of assets for him is unfortunate too. Thaddeus Young and Satoransky are guaranteed for next season followed by guaranteed money of $6m and $5m if bought out. Felicio and Porter Jr. come off the books at that point as well. Realistically, I think there is nothing that can be done in year 1 other than reshape the organization from top to bottom. Maybe we get lucky in the lottery and get a high pick, but then we need to nail the pick. The Bulls badly need a core and the pieces alongside Lavine are not signing in free agency until we acquire a second or third supporting piece either via the draft or trade. Year one will likely be the FO shakeup but that takes another year off Lavine. Trade Lauri for AG and hope a buyout or waiver crosses their path. I would definitely do that trade. The thing is I think Lauri is better suited as a center than as a PF and the Magic already have Bamba and Vucevic there.
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Post by mrShowtime on Apr 14, 2020 13:04:29 GMT -5
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Apr 16, 2020 5:38:30 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 16, 2020 12:49:17 GMT -5
🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 16, 2020 13:04:12 GMT -5
Two top 5 recruits skip college for the G League. Is the NCAA dead? They've ignored the signs so I think they deserve what's coming.
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Post by tadster00 on Apr 16, 2020 13:40:43 GMT -5
Two top 5 recruits skip college for the G League. Is the NCAA dead? They've ignored the signs so I think they deserve what's coming. I love college basketball, but I think two top guys doing this is a huge knock against the NCAA. I think if anything it puts a lot of pressure on the NBA, from the NCAA, to bring back the draft eligibility to coming straight out of HS.
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 16, 2020 13:58:12 GMT -5
Two top 5 recruits skip college for the G League. Is the NCAA dead? They've ignored the signs so I think they deserve what's coming. I love college basketball, but I think two top guys doing this is a huge knock against the NCAA. I think if anything it puts a lot of pressure on the NBA, from the NCAA, to bring back the draft eligibility to coming straight out of HS. That's already going to happen but how many of those will there be. This will be for the others and will dilute the NCAA product significantly
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Post by mrShowtime on Apr 16, 2020 16:26:35 GMT -5
the Warriors attempted to trade Steph Curry and Klay Thompson for Chris Paul in 2011. It was far from the only time Curry was shopped, but in this instance, the deal was very close to completion. Myers made the offer and Hornets GM Dell Demps was receptive. The catch was Chris Paul, who wanted out of New Orleans but had no intention of playing for the woebegone Warriors. Paul told the Warriors they could do this trade, but he wouldn’t be staying when his contract was up at season’s end.
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Post by mrShowtime on Apr 17, 2020 9:19:08 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 17, 2020 13:32:07 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 17, 2020 13:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by tadster00 on Apr 17, 2020 20:26:58 GMT -5
Michael Finley applying for the Bulls GM job. How you feel about that, Phil?
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Apr 17, 2020 20:29:10 GMT -5
Michael Finley applying for the Bulls GM job. How you feel about that, Phil? Don't really know anything about any of these candidates. As long as it's not some dumb ass like Ferry or Colangelo, it's a wait and see approach for me. But it seems like AK is the one that will be running the show anyways and GM isn't that important in the setup.
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Apr 17, 2020 20:34:32 GMT -5
Two top 5 recruits skip college for the G League. Is the NCAA dead? They've ignored the signs so I think they deserve what's coming. The excitement of March Madness will keep NCAA alive. Also, I think going to the G League won't be a thing for too long. If players actually want to develop and get a check, they should go to Europe instead. On a side note, Killian Hayes is/was a teammate of my friend. Never knew he was a highly touted prospect.
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 17, 2020 22:27:45 GMT -5
Two top 5 recruits skip college for the G League. Is the NCAA dead? They've ignored the signs so I think they deserve what's coming. The excitement of March Madness will keep NCAA alive. Also, I think going to the G League won't be a thing for too long. If players actually want to develop and get a check, they should go to Europe instead. On a side note, Killian Hayes is/was a teammate of my friend. Never knew he was a highly touted prospect. I don't know if the league can afford one of these for each team but, overseas will always be the most lucrative option for those wanting to develop and get paid. I don't see that many top prospects worth doing this for each year. I think you're wrong about the G League. I think it will serve as the jumping off point for a lot of kids and rehab spot for active players. It's a minor league gaining popularity.
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Apr 18, 2020 10:28:53 GMT -5
The excitement of March Madness will keep NCAA alive. Also, I think going to the G League won't be a thing for too long. If players actually want to develop and get a check, they should go to Europe instead. On a side note, Killian Hayes is/was a teammate of my friend. Never knew he was a highly touted prospect. I don't know if the league can afford one of these for each team but, overseas will always be the most lucrative option for those wanting to develop and get paid. I don't see that many top prospects worth doing this for each year. I think you're wrong about the G League. I think it will serve as the jumping off point for a lot of kids and rehab spot for active players. It's a minor league gaining popularity. Sorry, I meant the G League being the landing spot for these top draft prospects. G-League in itself is here to stay. With that said, if these players going into the G-League do still get drafted top 5 and pan out, then it'll be a success. I'm just not sure if that level will have these guys ready for that next jump. High bust rate = lower draft grade. Another thing: These G-League teams will be looking out for the best interest of their NBA affiliate. So the Chicago Bulls G-League team will prioritize developing their 2 way players and NBA players over these prospects. Can't fit a full 5 star team on the roster. 1 or 2 max on each team.
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 18, 2020 17:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 18, 2020 17:25:26 GMT -5
I don't know if the league can afford one of these for each team but, overseas will always be the most lucrative option for those wanting to develop and get paid. I don't see that many top prospects worth doing this for each year. I think you're wrong about the G League. I think it will serve as the jumping off point for a lot of kids and rehab spot for active players. It's a minor league gaining popularity. Sorry, I meant the G League being the landing spot for these top draft prospects. G-League in itself is here to stay. With that said, if these players going into the G-League do still get drafted top 5 and pan out, then it'll be a success. I'm just not sure if that level will have these guys ready for that next jump. High bust rate = lower draft grade. Another thing: These G-League teams will be looking out for the best interest of their NBA affiliate. So the Chicago Bulls G-League team will prioritize developing their 2 way players and NBA players over these prospects. Can't fit a full 5 star team on the roster. 1 or 2 max on each team. I see maybe 5 of these worth pulling the trigger on pet season but, I don't follow high school ball. Those will be kids who would've gone in the top 5 anyway after a one and done. There will new one per team which is why i don't think there are enough for each team. Does the affiliate get any special access to the prospect? Can a team sign him from the G League or does he still hafta be drafted? I assume he would still be drafted to be fair to the other teams.
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Apr 18, 2020 21:22:19 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant the G League being the landing spot for these top draft prospects. G-League in itself is here to stay. With that said, if these players going into the G-League do still get drafted top 5 and pan out, then it'll be a success. I'm just not sure if that level will have these guys ready for that next jump. High bust rate = lower draft grade. Another thing: These G-League teams will be looking out for the best interest of their NBA affiliate. So the Chicago Bulls G-League team will prioritize developing their 2 way players and NBA players over these prospects. Can't fit a full 5 star team on the roster. 1 or 2 max on each team. I see maybe 5 of these worth pulling the trigger on pet season but, I don't follow high school ball. Those will be kids who would've gone in the top 5 anyway after a one and done. There will new one per team which is why i don't think there are enough for each team. Does the affiliate get any special access to the prospect? Can a team sign him from the G League or does he still hafta be drafted? I assume he would still be drafted to be fair to the other teams. yep player needs to be drafted but they would have the input of their own coaches over there for the scouting report. I just think the appeal of playing for guys like Coach K, Izzo, Calipari is so strong that you’ll still see most top high school prospects opt for college, because that’s the safest route. Let’s just assume all the top players end up going to the G League, I still don’t think it has much, if any, of an impact on NCAAB. These schools are still going to have just as many students and they’ll always attend these games and get rowdy. Alums will still keep their school pride and watch and support. March Madness upsets drives people nuts regardless of what NBA prospects are on the team. If quality of play was such an important factor, people wouldn’t bother watching NCAAB but rather just watch the NBA instead. And that group exists, but NCAAB isn’t struggling.
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 19, 2020 7:20:41 GMT -5
I see maybe 5 of these worth pulling the trigger on pet season but, I don't follow high school ball. Those will be kids who would've gone in the top 5 anyway after a one and done. There will new one per team which is why i don't think there are enough for each team. Does the affiliate get any special access to the prospect? Can a team sign him from the G League or does he still hafta be drafted? I assume he would still be drafted to be fair to the other teams. yep player needs to be drafted but they would have the input of their own coaches over there for the scouting report. I just think the appeal of playing for guys like Coach K, Izzo, Calipari is so strong that you’ll still see most top high school prospects opt for college, because that’s the safest route. Let’s just assume all the top players end up going to the G League, I still don’t think it has much, if any, of an impact on NCAAB. These schools are still going to have just as many students and they’ll always attend these games and get rowdy. Alums will still keep their school pride and watch and support. March Madness upsets drives people nuts regardless of what NBA prospects are on the team. If quality of play was such an important factor, people wouldn’t bother watching NCAAB but rather just watch the NBA instead. And that group exists, but NCAAB isn’t struggling. I see maybe the top 3-5 prospects being off the board for this. If it expands to 10, that is still a lot of talent still going to college. I do think tho that the mold has been cast that the NCAA isn't the only game anymore. CBA will recover and the NBL is luring kids over. You're right about fans not really caring if they don't get the number 1 hs prospect. They'll still go to the games.
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Post by mrShowtime on Apr 20, 2020 10:51:31 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 20, 2020 15:09:45 GMT -5
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Post by tadster00 on Apr 20, 2020 16:36:58 GMT -5
Lol I wouldn't put it past San Antonio women
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 20, 2020 18:30:00 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 21, 2020 0:30:14 GMT -5
"He would break down getting 40 points,” Jeffries said on the podcast. “It would be like 10 free throws, a couple layups in transition, curl screen; little things where he knew how to break the game down to get 40 points. It's like 'dang man, it's that easy for you to go out and get 40.' He could just feel a 40-point game coming on. When for everybody else, it was a career-high, but for him it was like 'tonight I'm gonna have 40 or I'm gonna have 50.' And it would be done."
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 21, 2020 10:08:48 GMT -5
I didn't realize Herschel Walker wasn't in the HoF. He's been eligible since 2003. I could prolly come up with 5 names that he should be in instead of.
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Post by mrShowtime on Apr 21, 2020 11:06:02 GMT -5
Did people really not know how hated Jerry Krause was? I though this was common knowledge in 1997.
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Post by mrShowtime on Apr 21, 2020 11:06:45 GMT -5
I didn't realize Herschel Walker wasn't in the HoF. He's been eligible since 2003. I could prolly come up with 5 names that he should be in instead of. That's wild.
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Post by Pain662 on Apr 21, 2020 17:40:36 GMT -5
Did people really not know how hated Jerry Krause was? I though this was common knowledge in 1997. It was pretty well known but ya know he was going to be at the induction since he drafted him
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