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Post by melloare on Jul 30, 2021 12:51:34 GMT -5
IMO the way to build a team today: - Don't tank. It doesn't work. Flattened lottery odds make it even harder. Nothing wrong with getting lucky and winning the lottery, but you shouldn't be purposely looking to lose. I believe the last #1 overall pick to win the title with the team that drafted them is Tim Duncan in 1997. Typically if you pick #1, your organization is lacking a lot and the player eventually leaves you in free agency. In the last 10 drafts, only half are still with the team that drafted them. And those 5 came in the last 6 drafts. (100%)- Focus on stars. If you have a star, find another one. Keep that guy happy. Trading him for assets probably will not work, as the assets will never be as good as the star. Role players aren't too important. They will come to you if you have the stars to inflate their stats and get paid elsewhere the upcoming off-season. (100%)- The idea of cap space has evolved. In the past you would line up your contracts to all expire a same off-season to make a splurge. The reality is, you can always have cap space every off-season if you don't have bad contracts. This gives you so much flexibility. For example, let's say KAT is available this off-season and a guy like Lillard is a free agent (he isn't, but free agency sucks this year so I have no current example). You're the Wizards and have Bradley Beal but no stars besides him. In this scenario, we ignore Westbrook and Bertrans' awful contracts. Lillard is not interested in signing with you in free agency because you only have Beal. Work a deal with the Wolves for KAT trading all your assets. Get Lillard on board for a team with Beal and KAT. When Lillard agrees, you trade for KAT then trade off all your other role players for whatever you can get (2nd round picks, 1st rounders, it doesn't matter, whatever is on the table). If the contract is good, someone will be willing to take it on for you. Now in reality, the Wizards cannot have such an off-season because they are handicapped with Westbrook and Bertrans' contract. (welp the wizards got rid of the Westbrook contract and the deep now with Aaron as a Point, If they can consolidate with a trade for a second star they can get out the play in tourney)- Individual defense is overrated, team defense is what matters now. Ball moves around so much now, you want the right system and guys capable of playing in a system. Ability to shut down a player 1 on 1 isn't really that important anymore. (Yeah but Drew & Greek Freek Made some key plays)- Point guards don't matter. You want the ball to spend the most time in your best players hands. Having a playmaking point guard pound the ball while your best players wait for it is not a winning move anymore. Focus on getting the best players you can, bringing the ball up the court isn't some super limited skill. (Ask CP3 and Drew Holiday)- Versatility is key. So much switching on defense now, you want guys that can play multiple positions. Mostly Agree |
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Post by bbills on Jul 30, 2021 19:00:15 GMT -5
Good man thought about y'all fools last night while keeping up with the Draft. It’s been awhile since I’ve been here as well. Waiting on showtime to make an iOS tank app he’s getting lazy |
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Jul 31, 2021 12:29:01 GMT -5
IMO the way to build a team today: - Don't tank. It doesn't work. Flattened lottery odds make it even harder. Nothing wrong with getting lucky and winning the lottery, but you shouldn't be purposely looking to lose. I believe the last #1 overall pick to win the title with the team that drafted them is Tim Duncan in 1997. Typically if you pick #1, your organization is lacking a lot and the player eventually leaves you in free agency. In the last 10 drafts, only half are still with the team that drafted them. And those 5 came in the last 6 drafts. (100%)- Focus on stars. If you have a star, find another one. Keep that guy happy. Trading him for assets probably will not work, as the assets will never be as good as the star. Role players aren't too important. They will come to you if you have the stars to inflate their stats and get paid elsewhere the upcoming off-season. (100%)- The idea of cap space has evolved. In the past you would line up your contracts to all expire a same off-season to make a splurge. The reality is, you can always have cap space every off-season if you don't have bad contracts. This gives you so much flexibility. For example, let's say KAT is available this off-season and a guy like Lillard is a free agent (he isn't, but free agency sucks this year so I have no current example). You're the Wizards and have Bradley Beal but no stars besides him. In this scenario, we ignore Westbrook and Bertrans' awful contracts. Lillard is not interested in signing with you in free agency because you only have Beal. Work a deal with the Wolves for KAT trading all your assets. Get Lillard on board for a team with Beal and KAT. When Lillard agrees, you trade for KAT then trade off all your other role players for whatever you can get (2nd round picks, 1st rounders, it doesn't matter, whatever is on the table). If the contract is good, someone will be willing to take it on for you. Now in reality, the Wizards cannot have such an off-season because they are handicapped with Westbrook and Bertrans' contract. (welp the wizards got rid of the Westbrook contract and the deep now with Aaron as a Point, If they can consolidate with a trade for a second star they can get out the play in tourney)- Individual defense is overrated, team defense is what matters now. Ball moves around so much now, you want the right system and guys capable of playing in a system. Ability to shut down a player 1 on 1 isn't really that important anymore. (Yeah but Drew & Greek Freek Made some key plays)- Point guards don't matter. You want the ball to spend the most time in your best players hands. Having a playmaking point guard pound the ball while your best players wait for it is not a winning move anymore. Focus on getting the best players you can, bringing the ball up the court isn't some super limited skill. (Ask CP3 and Drew Holiday)- Versatility is key. So much switching on defense now, you want guys that can play multiple positions. Mostly Agree Jrue and Giannis made key defensive plays, but you also had guys like Portis who are not good individual defenders not hurt the team, because they played team defense. CP3 and Jrue were great in the playoffs. When I say PG doesn't matter, I am talking about the particular skillset. Traditionally your offense would always run through your PG and he was expected to be your playmaker, regardless of whether or not they were your best player. Giannis was the Bucks' playmaker and Middleton at times. Jrue played off a lot and did his job doing so. CP3 played on the ball a lot, but that is because he is deserving of it as their best player/2nd best player. He can score on all three levels and be a playmaker. |
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Post by bbills on Jul 31, 2021 12:29:44 GMT -5
Trader brad is a god. That is all
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Aug 1, 2021 21:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by melloare on Aug 3, 2021 9:56:24 GMT -5
Good man thought about y'all fools last night while keeping up with the Draft. It’s been awhile since I’ve been here as well. Waiting on showtime to make an iOS tank app he’s getting lazy IOS, I don't compute... #droidlife |
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Post by melloare on Aug 3, 2021 9:59:08 GMT -5
Trader brad is a god. That is all What was the big move, richardson, horford? |
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Post by melloare on Aug 3, 2021 10:02:38 GMT -5
Jrue and Giannis made key defensive plays, but you also had guys like Portis who are not good individual defenders not hurt the team, because they played team defense. CP3 and Jrue were great in the playoffs. When I say PG doesn't matter, I am talking about the particular skillset. Traditionally your offense would always run through your PG and he was expected to be your playmaker, regardless of whether or not they were your best player. Giannis was the Bucks' playmaker and Middleton at times. Jrue played off a lot and did his job doing so. CP3 played on the ball a lot, but that is because he is deserving of it as their best player/2nd best player. He can score on all three levels and be a playmaker. Portis was getting cooked in the 1st 3 games. Suns Iso'd the worst defender time after time. Bucks finally caught on. Point whatever isn't new. Scottie Pip was basically the point guard for the bulls. |
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Post by melloare on Aug 3, 2021 10:03:48 GMT -5
Phil what you think about the bulls getting Caruso? |
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Post by bbills on Aug 3, 2021 13:02:08 GMT -5
Trader brad is a god. That is all What was the big move, richardson, horford? The fact he was able to use the rest of the Hayward’s TPE right before it expired to get Richardson. And trade tristian to create another 9.5 mill TPE |
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Post by bbills on Aug 3, 2021 18:23:15 GMT -5
Bulls making some Big loves in free agency. It will be interesting to see if they mesh if they do they could be a surprise team in the East. Right now I’d still put them as a 7th seed but could be as good as 4th
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Aug 4, 2021 5:32:04 GMT -5
Phil what you think about the bulls getting Caruso? I'll answer that question in my bigger assessment below of the Bulls off-season thus far, that no one asked for. Starting with this article: theanalyst.com/na/2021/07/lonzo-ball-new-orleans-pelicans-restricted-free-agent/It's a dead on accurate description of Lonzo Ball. It is also why I had absolutely no desire to sign Lonzo, though I knew his signing was inevitable. Many people were talking about how Lonzo would be our primary playmaker, is an elite defender, and is young so he would keep improving. 1) As the article points out, Lonzo is not a good playmaker in the half court at all. In fact he doesn't really offer anything there. 2) Again, as the article points out, Lonzo is best defensively as someone that roams, rather than someone defending the point of attack. 3) Though inconsistent, he has a three point shot now worth respecting 4) He has a really poor first step when blowing by defenders. Additionally, he lacks total aggressiveness on the PnR, likely due to his poor finishing ability in the paint, which also means low free throw attempts. 5) There's always this idea that because a player is young, all their flaws will magically disappear over time. They might fix one, or two major flaws, but they rarely if ever fix most. Basically, Lonzo is quite a solid 3 + D guy with a few other intangibles, such as his great vision in the open court, rebounding, etc.. He's a MLE valued guy, though probably a shade above that. At $21m annually, it is an overpay. At $21m annually and being expected to be a playmaker in the halfcourt, it is a gross overpay. But this is where the Demar DeRozan signing comes in so nicely. He's a primary ball handler and playmaker. While fans were hyping up the idea of Lonzo for what seems like over a year now for a skillset he does not possess, the front office thankfully did not share the same mindset. DeRozan can be the guy you run your offense through now in the half court. You can also run your offense through Lavine and Vucevic. DeRozan also can attack the basket and draw fouls, something the Bulls were bottom in the league at last season. Ball is now in the role that he is best suited for, a 3 + D guy with a little more skill. Though he's still overpaid, he is put in the best position to succeed with his skills. He should fill his role nicely that he does not become a source of frustration for fans. Furthermore when more is asked out of you than you are capable of, your flaws really stand out and that negatively impacts your trade value. I think Lonzo will therefore always be a tradable asset over the length of his deal. And now we get to Caruso. I really wanted Derrick Rose. I wanted DeRozan initially to allow Coby White to continue starting and then have Derrick Rose be our 6th man off the bench. It was no longer the feel good hometown reunion, but also a really good basketball fit. Now knowing how the roster shaped out, Rose would have been a good addition, but Caruso fills much more necessary holes. For one the guy is an elite defender. Though Lonzo's not bad at defending the point of attack, it's not his best skill. Meanwhile, Caruso absolutely excels at it and I believe is top 2-3 in the league at defending the POA. The Bulls struggled defending the pick and roll massively last season. A lot of it has to do with Coby White just not being good at it at all. With Caruso out there, White no longer needs to do it. Caruso can be a pesky defender throwing guys off their game and giving the 2nd unit the energy they need. Offensively, he's really athletic and he provides shooting. Coby White is your 6th man scoring option, but Caruso is just as necessary in that second unit. Absolutely love the signing. The roster is still incomplete as we need to add another big man and need to figure out what to do with Lauri. This team badly needs defense, most notably interior defense. Lauri Markannen is not very good and I had no desire to see him return. I did figure there would be a couple teams willing to gamble on him though, but that seemed quite generous on my behalf. I am now okay with seeing him return on a reasonable contract. Maybe 2 years at 11-12 million per. He's a bad fit still but he'd be worth his contract and we would at least have another two years to try to get any asset for him. Ideal move would be to find a sign and trade though, potentially getting a pick back to restock. Worst move for us would be he accepts the QO, which allows him to leave as a UFA next year and gives him trade veto rights during the season. We also need to see what we do with Caruso's contract. Do we include him in the TPE we got from Houston for Theis, thus allowing us to have a full MLE again, or do we keep the TPE for a later time and use up the MLE on Caruso? I'm not really sure what defensive big man we can sign worthy of the MLE is still out there so my preference is starting to lean towards having the TPE. We have a very tiny bit of MLE left, but I'm 99% positive that was done to use on Dosunmu's contract so we can get him on a 3 year deal. It might be my Illinois bias, but I was absolutely enamored with Dosunmu and wanted him with our late lottery/mid teens 1st round pick prior to the Vucevic trade. Somehow he fell into round 2. IMO he got penalized for being in college for 3 years, which is ridiculous to me, but the Bulls took advantage. I get strong Jrue Holiday vibes from him and if you read the pre-draft scouting reports, both are extremely similar. Anyways he was a 2nd round pick so I won't put any expectations on him. If he's anything as much as a rotational player he ends up being a successful pick. At the moment I rank the East as: Tier 1A Nets Tier 1B Bucks 76ers Tier 2 Celtics Heat Bulls Hawks Basically the East runs through Brooklyn. If one star goes down, they still can compete and beat anyone in the East. If two go down, well then perhaps they will hope Durant wears a shoe size a half size smaller. Tier 1B are teams I believe can compete with the Nets, though an injury is obviously beneficial to them. If Giannis or Embiid go down though, they don't really stand much of a chance. My Tier 2 group, which the Bulls have now made themselves a part of, are teams capable of winning a series against a 1B side, but probably stand little to no chance against the Nets. As you can see, it's a total of 7 teams there, not including the Knicks who will likely perform better in the regular season than a number of these Tier 2 teams, but will not be able to put up the numbers to win in the playoffs. One, if not two of these guys will be playing in the play-in. Much of that will come down to health. On the Bulls side, Lonzo is a bit injury prone and Coby White is already out a while with a shoulder surgery. The Heat are betting hard on Lowry, but he is up there in age, just got his last big contract which could be reason to let up on the hard preparation to stay in shape, and just played 36 mpg, which will not be easy on the body. Hawks to me are the least talented of the bunch. And without doing any research, I would think the Celtics are a relatively healthy bunch and any major injuries would come down to bad luck. I think among all the talent in Tier 2, Zach Lavine is the best player of the bunch. Yes, better than Tatum, Young, and Butler. I rate him extremely highly and have him as the 2nd best shooting guard in the league. He is a lights out shooter, has unlimited range, can play off ball, can score off his own creation, has elite athleticism, and can find open teammates. His man defense is actually above average, but he still struggles with off ball defense, though it's improving albeit slowly. He's been a victim of having some really poor teammates out there. I'll refer to his 50 point game against the Hawks where I think he had over 40 in the 1st half and the Hawks would triple team him, yet the rest of the team could not do anything the rest of the game with a 4 on 2 advantage. So with all of that said, the Bulls need to target no lower than a 6 seed. Ideally you get a 1st round matchup against another Tier 2 side who you can beat. If you get a Tier 1 side, hopefully you end up with the 76ers, as I think we match up horribly with the Bucks and the Nets are the Nets. Our defense is going to be awful. While Lonzo is solid, Lavine is average, and Patrick Williams has massive potential on that end, Vucevic is not very good on that end and DeRozan is absolutely atrocious. Offensively, things should work at an elite level. We probably never contend for a title until we add a 2nd superstar. Perhaps that guy is Jokic in 2023 free agency, or perhaps we combine Lonzo Ball and Patrick Williams in a trade for one a year from now. Either way we took a huge step forward and I'm really excited. |
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Post by melloare on Aug 4, 2021 11:43:56 GMT -5
What was the big move, richardson, horford? The fact he was able to use the rest of the Hayward’s TPE right before it expired to get Richardson. And trade tristian to create another 9.5 mill TPE I give you that |
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Post by melloare on Aug 4, 2021 12:01:08 GMT -5
Phil what you think about the bulls getting Caruso? I'll answer that question in my bigger assessment below of the Bulls off-season thus far, that no one asked for. Starting with this article: theanalyst.com/na/2021/07/lonzo-ball-new-orleans-pelicans-restricted-free-agent/It's a dead on accurate description of Lonzo Ball. It is also why I had absolutely no desire to sign Lonzo, though I knew his signing was inevitable. Many people were talking about how Lonzo would be our primary playmaker, is an elite defender, and is young so he would keep improving. 1) As the article points out, Lonzo is not a good playmaker in the half court at all. In fact he doesn't really offer anything there. 2) Again, as the article points out, Lonzo is best defensively as someone that roams, rather than someone defending the point of attack. 3) Though inconsistent, he has a three point shot now worth respecting 4) He has a really poor first step when blowing by defenders. Additionally, he lacks total aggressiveness on the PnR, likely due to his poor finishing ability in the paint, which also means low free throw attempts. 5) There's always this idea that because a player is young, all their flaws will magically disappear over time. They might fix one, or two major flaws, but they rarely if ever fix most. Basically, Lonzo is quite a solid 3 + D guy with a few other intangibles, such as his great vision in the open court, rebounding, etc.. He's a MLE valued guy, though probably a shade above that. At $21m annually, it is an overpay. At $21m annually and being expected to be a playmaker in the halfcourt, it is a gross overpay. But this is where the Demar DeRozan signing comes in so nicely. He's a primary ball handler and playmaker. While fans were hyping up the idea of Lonzo for what seems like over a year now for a skillset he does not possess, the front office thankfully did not share the same mindset. DeRozan can be the guy you run your offense through now in the half court. You can also run your offense through Lavine and Vucevic. DeRozan also can attack the basket and draw fouls, something the Bulls were bottom in the league at last season. Ball is now in the role that he is best suited for, a 3 + D guy with a little more skill. Though he's still overpaid, he is put in the best position to succeed with his skills. He should fill his role nicely that he does not become a source of frustration for fans. Furthermore when more is asked out of you than you are capable of, your flaws really stand out and that negatively impacts your trade value. I think Lonzo will therefore always be a tradable asset over the length of his deal. And now we get to Caruso. I really wanted Derrick Rose. I wanted DeRozan initially to allow Coby White to continue starting and then have Derrick Rose be our 6th man off the bench. It was no longer the feel good hometown reunion, but also a really good basketball fit. Now knowing how the roster shaped out, Rose would have been a good addition, but Caruso fills much more necessary holes. For one the guy is an elite defender. Though Lonzo's not bad at defending the point of attack, it's not his best skill. Meanwhile, Caruso absolutely excels at it and I believe is top 2-3 in the league at defending the POA. The Bulls struggled defending the pick and roll massively last season. A lot of it has to do with Coby White just not being good at it at all. With Caruso out there, White no longer needs to do it. Caruso can be a pesky defender throwing guys off their game and giving the 2nd unit the energy they need. Offensively, he's really athletic and he provides shooting. Coby White is your 6th man scoring option, but Caruso is just as necessary in that second unit. Absolutely love the signing. The roster is still incomplete as we need to add another big man and need to figure out what to do with Lauri. This team badly needs defense, most notably interior defense. Lauri Markannen is not very good and I had no desire to see him return. I did figure there would be a couple teams willing to gamble on him though, but that seemed quite generous on my behalf. I am now okay with seeing him return on a reasonable contract. Maybe 2 years at 11-12 million per. He's a bad fit still but he'd be worth his contract and we would at least have another two years to try to get any asset for him. Ideal move would be to find a sign and trade though, potentially getting a pick back to restock. Worst move for us would be he accepts the QO, which allows him to leave as a UFA next year and gives him trade veto rights during the season. We also need to see what we do with Caruso's contract. Do we include him in the TPE we got from Houston for Theis, thus allowing us to have a full MLE again, or do we keep the TPE for a later time and use up the MLE on Caruso? I'm not really sure what defensive big man we can sign worthy of the MLE is still out there so my preference is starting to lean towards having the TPE. We have a very tiny bit of MLE left, but I'm 99% positive that was done to use on Dosunmu's contract so we can get him on a 3 year deal. It might be my Illinois bias, but I was absolutely enamored with Dosunmu and wanted him with our late lottery/mid teens 1st round pick prior to the Vucevic trade. Somehow he fell into round 2. IMO he got penalized for being in college for 3 years, which is ridiculous to me, but the Bulls took advantage. I get strong Jrue Holiday vibes from him and if you read the pre-draft scouting reports, both are extremely similar. Anyways he was a 2nd round pick so I won't put any expectations on him. If he's anything as much as a rotational player he ends up being a successful pick. At the moment I rank the East as: Tier 1A Nets Tier 1B Bucks 76ers Tier 2 Celtics Heat Bulls Hawks Basically the East runs through Brooklyn. If one star goes down, they still can compete and beat anyone in the East. If two go down, well then perhaps they will hope Durant wears a shoe size a half size smaller. Tier 1B are teams I believe can compete with the Nets, though an injury is obviously beneficial to them. If Giannis or Embiid go down though, they don't really stand much of a chance. My Tier 2 group, which the Bulls have now made themselves a part of, are teams capable of winning a series against a 1B side, but probably stand little to no chance against the Nets. As you can see, it's a total of 7 teams there, not including the Knicks who will likely perform better in the regular season than a number of these Tier 2 teams, but will not be able to put up the numbers to win in the playoffs. One, if not two of these guys will be playing in the play-in. Much of that will come down to health. On the Bulls side, Lonzo is a bit injury prone and Coby White is already out a while with a shoulder surgery. The Heat are betting hard on Lowry, but he is up there in age, just got his last big contract which could be reason to let up on the hard preparation to stay in shape, and just played 36 mpg, which will not be easy on the body. Hawks to me are the least talented of the bunch. And without doing any research, I would think the Celtics are a relatively healthy bunch and any major injuries would come down to bad luck. I think among all the talent in Tier 2, Zach Lavine is the best player of the bunch. Yes, better than Tatum, Young, and Butler. I rate him extremely highly and have him as the 2nd best shooting guard in the league. He is a lights out shooter, has unlimited range, can play off ball, can score off his own creation, has elite athleticism, and can find open teammates. His man defense is actually above average, but he still struggles with off ball defense, though it's improving albeit slowly. He's been a victim of having some really poor teammates out there. I'll refer to his 50 point game against the Hawks where I think he had over 40 in the 1st half and the Hawks would triple team him, yet the rest of the team could not do anything the rest of the game with a 4 on 2 advantage. So with all of that said, the Bulls need to target no lower than a 6 seed. Ideally you get a 1st round matchup against another Tier 2 side who you can beat. If you get a Tier 1 side, hopefully you end up with the 76ers, as I think we match up horribly with the Bucks and the Nets are the Nets. Our defense is going to be awful. While Lonzo is solid, Lavine is average, and Patrick Williams has massive potential on that end, Vucevic is not very good on that end and DeRozan is absolutely atrocious. Offensively, things should work at an elite level. We probably never contend for a title until we add a 2nd superstar. Perhaps that guy is Jokic in 2023 free agency, or perhaps we combine Lonzo Ball and Patrick Williams in a trade for one a year from now. Either way we took a huge step forward and I'm really excited. I'm good with Zo, because of what we had at point for the last 5 years, Slight overpay, however its an overpay for Caruso & Derozen. However Bulls had to overpay, past reputation and the fact we didn't even make the play in. Free Agents come for money or to win. I really wish the bulls could have gotten Markieff Morris, most def need a rugged defender down low with Thad being moved. Oh also add the Knicks to your tier 3 squads. Caruso will have plenty time to make his mark with Coby White on the mend. I love that Ayo fell to the bulls but he still unproven at the NBA level, the reason he dropped so far is his performance in the Tourney, 3 years might be a reach but for the money they can pay I doubt it will be a bid deal even if they do give him 3. I love what AK & Marc have done and very intrigued to see how the Lauri ish plays out. Oh and Zach is dope and deserves his All-Star and Olympic status although, #1 he doesn't have any playoff experience #2 he hasn't been known as anybody's defender...so with that he is not on my best 2 way player list so slow down all that hype. If he had he would already been named all nba and in line for 200 million. |
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Post by bbills on Aug 4, 2021 12:15:13 GMT -5
It’s been awhile since I’ve been here as well. Waiting on showtime to make an iOS tank app he’s getting lazy IOS, I don't compute... #droidlife Show is making Droid and IOS version if he gets off his lazy ass |
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Post by tadster00 on Aug 5, 2021 14:28:01 GMT -5
Phil, can we get a rundown on this Messi news via an easy translation? Just signed a big deal with Barcelona and is now leaving. Wth?
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Aug 6, 2021 1:14:12 GMT -5
Phil, can we get a rundown on this Messi news via an easy translation? Just signed a big deal with Barcelona and is now leaving. Wth? No, he basically had a verbal agreement on the contract but had yet to sign it. La Liga (the league in Spain) introduced some sort of salary cap limit to clubs as they fight off the debts of the pandemic and they couldn't dump enough guys to get Messi's contract back on the books. So now the verbal agreement is void and he is free to go anywhere |
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Post by Pain662 on Aug 31, 2021 15:52:42 GMT -5
Main league draft is tonight. WPTWTG will draft with 8 on the 4th.
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Post by philipandhisbuddies on Aug 31, 2021 18:34:17 GMT -5
Main league draft is tonight. WPTWTG will draft with 8 on the 4th. Didn't pay attention to time zones last year and showed up an hour late to the draft so it either ended my three peat or prevented me from three peating. I'm in it to win it again this year though! |
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Post by bbills on Sept 2, 2021 8:05:21 GMT -5
Wilson and Wentz on the block for starting wr/te upgrade
Doesn’t have to be 1 for 1
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Post by andrew420 on Sept 7, 2021 16:08:38 GMT -5
Just save the website to homescreen and basically an app!
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Post by bbills on Sept 23, 2021 11:10:30 GMT -5
Any of y’all use discord? Thinking about moving the tank their. What say you?
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Post by bbills on Sept 23, 2021 13:32:00 GMT -5
Decided to just go ahead and create it. Not sure how discord works but we will figure it out as we go discord.gg/HxG4wdPH |
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Post by Pain662 on Oct 29, 2021 12:40:13 GMT -5
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Post by Pain662 on Oct 29, 2021 14:21:46 GMT -5
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